During this discussion, attendees heard Brent Hansen, Thales TCT's CTO, and Richard Hosgood, white hat hacker and North American Director of Engineering at the file security company, Votiro, dissect the April 2020 phishing attack, the gaps that antivirus and next-generation antivirus leave for unknown and zero-day threats, and how an emerging technology called Positive Selection technology can prevent these types of attacks.